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They are trick or treating. Here, in my street! It's horrible. We need to feed them sugar or they mess with my garden and stuff. Not easy as I generally have no sugar in the house. We had to go out and buy "Candy" for these brats. Now I have bags and bags of lollies left over that I'm not supposed to eat. Justine can take them to school and give her friends acne. Bah, Halloweenbug!

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hehehe, we had Trick or Treaters to. I could hear them, and my fam isn't a halloween celebrating one so we don't have lolies and such ready, so been the closest to the front door, I naturally left my parents to deal with the kids :o:lol: Next year I think I'll dress up and scare the be-jeezus out of them. That'll be my treat :D :D Did you know that Halloween is actually a Celtic/Gaillic tradition. It started way back then. Now it's just been comercialised (by u guessed it, the Yankees) and in America, comes only second to Christmas with the amount of Moolah spent :lol::o and as for the cat, lets just say it drank a bit too much fermented pumpkin juice :D :D

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Damn, I just wrote a long rant and accidentally deleted it! Anyway, the gist of it was that this trick or treat rubbish is an intrusive example of creeping US cultural imperialism, and I refuse to concede that it has any place in Australian culture. Bring back Bonfire Night!

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and bring back Independence Day .... oops, another American Institution :lol: :lol: But it's soo true. Aussies don't really have much to celebrate. Sure we have Aussie day, and a cple of others, but no-one really gets into them as hardcore as the Americans do. But then again, I guess it's cause we have better money management and don't need to buy all the brightly coloured decorations :o (tho it can be extremely tempting at times. I was gonna stick a whole load of paper bats hanging from the ceiling in my room, and put in sum jack-o-lanterns to :o:D )

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It's interesting the way old folk beliefs and traditions get transformed. The Christian church did a lot of it -- absorbing pre-Christian religious rituals and practices (like Samhain), and grafting them onto Christian doctrine, giving them false orthodoxy. It made sure that people could stay in the church but still keep up the old practices: hence Christmas trees, Easter eggs, harvest festivals, the birth of Christ celebrated on 25 December etc etc. Halloween (All Hallows Eve) is a good example of a pre-Christian Celtic fire feast (Samhain) transformed into a Christian holy day. Samhain marked the start of the dark season (winter), and the Celts believed that the veil between darkness and light (life and death) was thinnest then. The old folk practice of lighting bonfires on Samhain got grafted on to Guy Fawkes' attempt to blow up the English Parliament on 5 November (as in "Remember, remember, the 5th of November; gunpowder treason and plot"), and became the Bonfire/Guy Fawkes/Cracker Night tradition that we loved as kids. Bonfire Night is a lot more of a cultural tradition for Australians than the modern US Halloween.

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Did you know that Halloween is actually a Celtic/Gaillic tradition. It started way back then.

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Yes, it was called Samhain Eve. Samhain means Summer's end. Samhain Eve was a Celtic festival celebrated with bonfires and represented the final harvest of the year, and was held on/around October 31st and November 1st, which supposedly marked the Celtic New Year. In Celtic times, Samhain was the season known as winter. Samhain was believed to be the day that did not exist, the most magical time of the year :lol:. Death was never far away from Samhain, and the dead were remembered and honoured at the feast of Samhain.

When the Romans made contact with the Celts, they added their ''feast of the dead'' to Samhain, and the Christians subverted the recognition of Samhain to honor the saints, it became All Saints Day on November 1st, and Samhain Eve became All Hallows Eve on October 31st.

And All Hallows Eve became Halloween, with the Roman/Celtic derived Feast of the Dead as its 'meaning'.

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I can remember a guy I went to school with went Trick or Treating on the 30 April which of course is the last day of the middle month of autumn and there fore the true Southern Hemisphere "Halloween". From now on when this day comes around off goes the lights, I don't want kids hanging around my door wanting lollies (I buy them for me, not to give out!!)

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Samhain actually doesn't come around to us until March 30- April 1st next year, as we are in the southern hemisphere :) It's Beltane now which marks the start of summer :) (of course this is if you follow the seasons down here or up north)

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Samhain actually doesn't come around to us until March 30- April 1st next year, as we are in the southern hemisphere ;)

It's Beltane now which marks the start of summer :)

(of course this is if you follow the seasons down here or up north)

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:) Then neither does Halloween, since it is on the same day, right?...If you followed Australian seasons... :)

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Well, yeah, pretty much the same thing if you are going by the seasons, although I tend to think that the current version of Halloween is so far removed from its roots, it can probably be wherever it wants to be on the calendar :)

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Now that i've sobered up from Halloween.. Happy belated halloween everyone!! And Robbie, I WAS NOT THAT drunk.... Anyway.. tomorrow being ladies day at the races, I'm obligated to get completely wasted again tomorrow... my poor poor liver.. Oh well.. I can always get a new one off the back of a pig can't i?

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that is sooo not fair Mishy, you Ladies get all the fun when it comes to races. First of all, you don't have to watch how much u drink, that's ur partners job, and then you get a WHOLE day just to drink and watch the races again :D Go and have fun 2moz Mishy, and drink drink drink ;) Not that you need any more engouragement from me :D :D

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