marc Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 sorry guys I need some basic Genetic advice . I am very interested in producing pure white crowntails. I am inquiring about the terminology and basic genetics that have the potential to make up such a gene pool .The descriptions I have are is opaque , What does opaque mean? from light /white colors ie cambodium? Some carry red loss ? Is this cambodium trait . I read of silver eyed whitecoloured fish and black eyed whitecoloured fish. Could some one give me simple version of this colour as I am confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy_dragonfly Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Cambodian is not white, it means white/flesh coloured body with coloured fins, I don't think they are what your after. Opaque I think means that the fins are partially see through and cello means they are clear fins (almost invisible). I don't know about red loss genetics sorry. There was once a website explaining the genetics of betta colour, I can't remember where is was. I'll try ti find it. What you need is a whilte male white female without the marble gene preferably with a white beard (I don't know if you want platinum, that's the pearly white shimmering colour). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy_dragonfly Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Here it is, the part you want is down the bottom: Colour genetics You'll need to go to the all about betta splendens part then click on the colour genetics link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callatya Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 The basic part of red loss is just that the fish posesses the red colour, but it fades to the point that it doesn't show. You don't really want to buy a white fish with red of any sort, because it'll be a devil to get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 this time I had a good look at that great site and gleamed some good info. When I look at the batch of 3 month old blue red ct x cambodium juvies I can see color and sex and tail form . looking at them is weired . there are colours in them that are white, flesh red, blue and bits of all three It was a huge spawn. Some fish I think are whiter most others are flesh.Some white have almost a light shade of light blue washed over them. If i pick the best clear whites with comb tails out and jarr them for photo could you id and advise .. I,d like to sort them out before I sell them. The idea is if they are white ct carrying females I will keep them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy_dragonfly Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Don't use white fish from a coloured spawn...as far as I know they will have coloured offspring. Best you start fresh with a white pair and no colour in their history (at least for 3-4 generations). Maybe off aquabid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 yes the more i look at them and in a different light scource the less likely they appear clean white. Its those stupid standard white fluros over the tanks that give the illusion of white.Sounds like a teeth cleaning add !! Do pure white crowntails exist in australia ? have you seen them on aqua bid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Just went onto aquabid and these caught my eye "White platnum CT male" "Balloon opaque white mask male " and for interest "cambodium triband female" there was a couple of others but these stood out . Whats the difference with the black eye and silver eye ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy_dragonfly Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Yes pure white fish do exist but are really hard to get hold of. Did you find any white females? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 no females that apealed to me Fuzzy dragonfly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Maybe try a blue with him? Here is a good link http://www.bettas-jimsonnier.com/genetics.htm :scared: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbies Betta Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Opaques are white fish with a pearly layer over the whole fish. Opaque Balloon CT's are gorgeous. I've seen seveal on AqB and they've always been mind boggling. If you want to breed whites, I'd suggest getting an opaque or platinum pair. With the opaques, if you don't want the pearl sheen, then over a cple of generations it usually lessons and should eventually disappear with good selection. Platinums are sorta opaque, just with a metallic sheen instead of a pearly sheen HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Opaques are not supposed to have a sheen - they are flat white with a dense layer of .. well, powder-like opacity. Soemtimes this even covers the eyes. Platinums are dense white but with a metallic sheen. Either would give you "pure white" but there is some issue with opaques I read once, like you need to introduce a steel every few generations or you get red wash. Platinum may be the easiest approach. (PS - it's cambodian as in originated in Cambodia - not cambodium). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbies Betta Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 yeah, with opaques you do need to cross out to steel blue (tho pref a steel blue with opaque genes) as opaques are generally a blue based fish. I'd also suggest platinums if you want to go all white. (Have a look at Charntelle's Opaque x Platinum thread in the gene pool). With platinums, there is a chance you could get coppers and golds, tho if you get a platinum from an already established platinum line, then it should be fine :scared: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 and it's not like coppers and golds are hard to get rid of, if they do pop up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splendidbetta Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Opaque white is a 'mutation' of steel blue, isn't it? That's what I've read anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy_dragonfly Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Opaque white is a 'mutation' of steel blue, isn't it? That's what I've read anyway. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think I remember reading that somewhere too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berryfriendly Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Hey Marc, if you are you still looking for white CT's my lfs has some for sale. Send me a PM if you want the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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