Fishchick Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Armchair research by someone.... Out of curiosity I went through the AQIS ICON database list Import case details - public listing Freshwater Fish (other than Salmonidae) - Live (ie the allowable import list) to see what impact the Biosecurity Iridovirus testing would have on imports. If the ruling was enacted today (effectively prohibiting the import of the listed fish) this is what you the hobbyist, and the aquarium industry, would lose: Aequidens maronii - Keyhole Cichlid Aequidens pulcher - Blue Acara Cichlid Apistogramma spp - Dwarf Cichlid = approx 77 species and more to be discovered and officially identified Astronotuso cellatus - Oscar Cichlid - several known variants Aulonocara spp - African Peacock Cichlid = approx 26 species, possibly more to be discovered Betta spp - Fighting fish = approximately 73 species and more to be discovered and officially identified Chalinochromis spp - Bridle Cichlid = 2 known species Chilotilapia rhoadesii - Rhoadesii Cichlid Cichlasoma nicaraguense - Parrot Cichlid Colisa chuna - Honey Dwarf Gourami Colisa fasciata - Giant Dwarf Gourami Colisa labiosa - Thick-lipped Gourami Colisa lalia - Dwarf Gourami Crenicara filamentosa - Checkerboard Lyretail Cichlid Crenicara maculate - Checkerboard Cichlid Cyathopharnx furcifer - Threadfin Furcifer Cichlid Cyphotilapia frontosa - Frontosa Cichlid (including all known variants) Cyprichromis leptosoma - Cyprichromis Cichlid (including all known variants) Cyrtocaara moorii - Blue Dolphin Cichlid Eretmodus cyanosticts - Dwarf Goby Cichlid Eretmodus maculatus - Tanganyikan Clown Cichlid Gnathochromis permaxillaris - Cichlid Helostoma rudolfi - Pink Kissing Gourami Helostoma temminckii - Green Kissing Gourami Iodotrophgeys sprengerae - Rusty Cichlid Julidochromis spp - Julie Cichlid = 9 species Laetacara curviceps - Curviceps Cichlid Laetacara dorsigerus - Cichlid Macropodus opercularis - Paradise Fish Melanochromis auratus - Auratus Cichlid Melanochromis simulans - Cichlid Mesonauta festivus - Festivum or Flag Cichlid Nannacara anomala - Golden Dwarf Cichlid Nannacara aureocephalus - Golden Head Cichlid Nannacara taenia - Dwarf Lattice Cichlid Neolamprologus brichardii - Princess Cichlid Neolamprologus cylindricus - Cylindricus Cichlid Neolamprologus leleupi - Lemon Cichlid Neolamprologus meeli - Cichlid Neolamprologus mustax - Cichlid Neolamprologus ocellatus - Shell Dweller Cichlid - many colour variants Ophthalmotilapia spp - Threadfin Cichlids = 6 known/recognised species Papiliochromis altispinosa - Bolivian Butterfly Cichlid Papiliochromis ramirezzii - Ram Cichlid Parosphromenus deissneri - Licorice Gourami Pelvicachromis pulcher - Krib Cichlid Pelvicachromis subocellatus - Cichlid Pelvicachromis taeniatus - Cichlid - many variants Petrochromis trewavasae - Petrochromis Cichlid Poecilia latipinna - Sailfin Mollie Poecilia reticulata - Guppy Poecilia sphenops - Mollie Poecilia velifera - Sailfin Mollie Pterophyllum spp. - Angelfish Cichlid - 5 known species Spatgodus erythrodon - Spotted Goby Cichlid Sphaerichthys osphronemoides - Chocolate Gourami Symphysodon spp. - Discus Cichlid = 2 recognised species, many variants Tanganicodus irsacae - Goby Cichlid Trichogaster leeri - Pearl Gourami Trichogaster microlepis - Moonlight Gourami Trichogaster trichopterus - Golden Gourami Trichopsis pumilus - Gourami Trichopsis vittatus - Croaking Gourami Tropheus spp. - Tropheus Cichlid = 6 recognised species Total number of species/genus (line items) on the allowable import list = 225 Number of species potentially affected by Biosecurity = 55. Number of Genus = 9. Total line items = 64 (28%) Number of species included in the 9 genus = 206 (approx) I deliberately placed the word "Cichlid" in the common name of all Cichlid species to highlight the impact on this particular group. It occurred to me that most, if not all, Cichlid groups, forums and interest groups are sitting on their butts when they should be the most vocal! The inclusion of all gourami species needs to be clarified. However, if they can lump Bettas in with gouramis because they have a labyrinth organ, I figure all gourami species will be included. There is also some confusion on whether or not it is only guppies that will be tested, or all poecilia, or all livebearers (which will encompass platies and swords, not listed above) The common names are a combination of what is on the list and my own knowledge. Some need to be updated. Spelling of scientific names is as per the list (unless there is a typo) Information Source: Allowable import list - http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_casecontent.asp?intNodeId=8872757&intCommodityId=6114&Types=none&WhichQuery=Go+to+full+text&intSearch=1&LogSessionID=0 www.fishbase.org was consulted to determine the number of valid species in each genus. Best regards, someone (LFS) This post may be copied to any other forum provided it is done so in its ENTIRETY, that I remain the author, and doing so does not breech the copyright of this forum ********************************************************************************************* Edited March 28, 2011 by Fishchick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Thanks for posting this here, Jodi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettaObsessed Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 So they plan to ban pretty much all of the most popular fish. What exactly do they plan to leave us with? I think this would not only decimate the retail aquarium industry but the whole hobby of keeping fish. What exactly is the reasoning behind all of these bans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Devastating Impact is about as under-stated as it gets. someone, We're all about to be affected by this; and obviously some have more to loose than others, but the big picture is the suffering of the entire hobbyist community when diversity just isn't available. When are these proposed tests coming into effect? (The previous thread's discussion petered out toward the end of last year...) Needless to say, if there is anything we can do by way of actively protesting this please let us know. -Ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckie Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 What exactly is the reasoning behind all of these bans? They're not exactly bans, these are the fish they will "test for iridovirus" on arrival to the country, which basically means putting a significant % of each imported batch of fish in a blender to test for a virus that's already present in Australian waterways. And if it's present the remainder of the fish in that batch will be destroyed. And all this is done at the expense of the importer (this includes aquabid fish that hobbyists bring in, the hobbyist being the importer). Do a forum search for "iridovirus" or "batch testing". I have just bumped a couple of threads. This is what the petition in the big box on the main forum page is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I realy find it hard to understand the logic of this testing unless it was for fish going to area where the virus isnt present aaaand if thats the case then interstate transport of fish would be affected. If this is to protect aquaculture then I cant see that we can do much harm with the hobbie trad have you seen some of the security at the aqua farms it like argile huge I tell ya but polys wont listen untill ther is a big enough outcry get your local MPs involved if enough people bring it to there attention they will at least be aware that some of there posible votes could be gained or lost it might work Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 We can't even muster 1000 votes on the petition. The reaction from hobbyists can hardly be considered a huge public outcry. More like a very faint squeak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 well iv started to inform a few guys I know who have cichlids and they started fliping out the didnt have a clue so maby the word will get around if we keep spreading it to those others not just the betta folk Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 This is the problem Les. They will be affected the most but most hobbyists don't even know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettaObsessed Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Did I see a flyer or something on here that was being sent out to the shops to explain what was going on? I'd print some and take them to my LFS's and LPS's. Would be even better if they would stick them up somewhere where the customers could see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 well iv started to inform a few guys I know who have cichlids and they started fliping out the didnt have a clue so maby the word will get around if we keep spreading it to those others not just the betta folk This was well publicised among the online aquarium hobby community. There were discussions on several forums including a cichlid forum. In Victoria, all the clubs got together along with industry reps to form a working party to address this issue and the noxious species list revision. I'm not saying that everyone who has an interested definitely knows about it. I'm just saying that it's been publicised sufficiently to come to the conclusion that everyone who is likely to take action has already done so -- excluding newcomers or people who return to the hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettaObsessed Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I think there would be a lot of people out there who keep fish and are passionate about them but don't belong to an online community or forum so wouldn't know. If it wasn't for the fact that I was trying to research betta genetics I would not have found this forum and I would not have thought to look for it. Those who aren't exactly computer savvy would not look for an online group to find information so there could well be a large number of people who would take action but simply don't know that this is happening. I have a friend who is very passionate about his convict cichlids and the couple of others that he keeps but I know due to his problems with reading and writing would never think to join and online forum. Until someone commented on here recently about what was happening I had no idea and its not like I don't spend a lot of time online, I was just not a member of any online forums or communities before this. I would never have imagined that there were clubs for fish keepers where you could take your fish and enter a show. I think the best way to get it out for the wider hobbyist community to see is to have notices in places that sell the fish. Seeing as these changes are going to affect them as well it would make sense for them to provide the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 By all means go ahead and place notices in shops. Some notices were distributed last year but I'm sure not all shops. And it wouldn't hurt if they got again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettaObsessed Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Is there somewhere that has a pre-prepared notice that I could print out?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 Second last post on the last page... http://ausaqua.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=10486&hl=iridovirus&st=30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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