maddzvk Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) so we all know basic colours and fin forms even well accepted patterns but every know and then aquabid likes to through a curve ball so im accumulating some of these odd expressions that arent well known or necessarily well used COLOUR/PATTERNPIEBALD AKA MONKEY FACE OR SKINMASK. may also be called monster. - Piebald Betta's have a fleshy coloured face no matter what their body colour is. MONSTER (marble)- a betta which has a white or piebald face and a different coloured body. ARMAGEDDON- refers to Muti colored Betta that has both Yellow and Red finnage. DEVIL- a fish with Red finnage and black Black edging. COBRA -I think has been borrowed from guppies to describe bettas with fins that have many dots like a cobra guppy. It is also used to describe other phenotypes PANDA- black/dark blue and white, like a panda - or dark eyes on a white head. DIAMOND EYE - Usually this is used for metallic/Dragon scaling over the eyes, which gives the betta an alien appearance. It is also used for fancy marbles sometimes, but again, I'm not sure why!ORANGE DALMATIAN: Orange dalmatian Betta's are not really common. They have a pale orange body with darker orange spots of different sizes all patched around there body. Also known as Apricot Spots and orange dot bettas SAMURAI - Dragon with incomplete coverage TUTWEILER BUTTERFLY- This is a very special type of Butterfly. While all multiple banded Bettas might be impressive, it is the unique contrast of the central band that made the Tutweiler Betta so famous! This type of Butterfly has a Clear, or Flesh coloured body, a White inner band, a Red centre band, and a White Outer band. This type of Butterfly is quite rare compared to the other types Butterflies, because of the difficulty in getting fish that have a perfect centre band." FORM SKYHAWK - Tall forward pointing dorsal with long first ray, very broad forward sweeping extended dorsals. possible second meaning/co-trait the extension/reduction that appear on the dorsal and anal fin but not on the caudal which looks like eagle wing tips.( like on the photo oi reposted from martin 19/02/14)EAGLE- Generally same as sky hawk in my experience, some people also use 'hawk'. (Tall forward pointing dorsal with long first ray) KING CROWN- has rays which cross at 7 points/crossray crown KING BETTA - Americanism for a large betta thats not a standardised giant (in Aus we tend to call them jumbos) BULLET BETTA AKA SHORT BOY AKA PARROT BETTA- Are disgusting. its extensive breeding for spinal deformity specifically to create a significantly shortened body. UNKNOWN ALIEN- could be split ventrals, unusual marble patterning or possibly similar to diamond eye. currently unsure DEVIL SKYHAWK ARMEGEDDON Edited October 26, 2014 by maddzvk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I thought the devils were generally black and red. But of course these terms are not consistently applied. I haven't been on AquaBid lately. I haven't seen the term Alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Nut Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I think 'Alien' refers to ventrals that are split multiple times. Like the picture linked below. http://www.aquabid.com/uploads/fwbettashmp1327413347.jpg The only seller I've seen describing their fish with the word 'Eagle' is Aquastar71. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 So do we know what Eagle refers to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Nut Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I don't know. Most of the ones I have seen that seller label as 'Eagle' have been marble HMs. But then other marbles haven't been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Like you said - terms are used differently by different people and are often further skewed by those on AB... Devil - Like Raz, I thought this was the black/blue and red form of the Orchid Armageddon - not heard the term before, but yellow, orange and or red all appearing on the same fish is apparently only possible with the presence of the marble gene. Panda - I thought this was a fish with a white head and black eyes (or possibly even black patches over the eyes to make them look even bigger) Tutweiler Butterfly - named after the guy who first created it. I remember seeing a very grainy shot of a magazine cover (I think) along with the story. Apparently there are plenty who have tried to reproduce this but it is heavily argued as to whether anyone has actually been successful. Unfortunately, Mr Tutweiler lost the line for one reason or another... Skyhawk - read an interesting post on this on the Singapore forum the other week - it's apparently an evolving term that is now more accepted as meaning a dorsal with forward facing rays, but originally was concerned with dorsal rays which very noticeably curved forward to look somewhat like a wave riding atop the fish. King Crown - I still see different fish being labelled as a King Crown. I believe Maddie is correct in that it requires a minimum of 7 crosses to be called a King Crown. A perfect King apparently has a 10 crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodo Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I thought eagle may refer to when the dorsal abd anal have crowning on them, as when you look at eagle photos how their wings look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hmm... but if the ray extensions aren't on the caudal as well then those fish would be faulted in a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Razzi, that may be so, but these are commercial terms. And, let's be honest, a large percentage of AB fish have show faults. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Monkey Face = See Piebald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodo Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jarrod I believe from once reading you had/were close to having skyhawk bettas? I think main thing with this would be try to get the most agreed upon term, so at least within Australia we know what each other are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yes, I had one turn up in a HM spawn. He had a broad, forward facing dorsal. All rays were close to being the same length. I gave him and a matching female to Werner and Phill. Not sure if the trait was passed on when they bred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzvk Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 martin on bettas4all answered a few terminology ones heres his response "sky hawk - Tall forward pointing dorsal with long first ray eagle - Generally same as sky hawk in my experience, some people also use 'hawk' armageddon - Red and yellow patches in the fins devil - Red fins with black edges cobra - I think has been borrowed from guppies to describe bettas with fins that have many dots like a cobra guppy. It is also used to describe other phenotypes - but I can't work out why!!! panda - black/dark blue and white, like a panda - or dark eyes on a white head. alien - Usually this is used for metallic/Dragon scaling over the eyes, which gives the betta an alien appearance. It is also used for fancy marbles sometimes, but again, I'm not sure why!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Nut Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I've honestly never heard alien used to describe dragon scaling over the eye. Normally I've seen those fish referred to as 'diamond eye' bettas. I have heard it is used to describe split ventrals like the example I posted above, but it does also seem to refer to marble betta as well based on a quick google search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzvk Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 rigth ive updated diamond eye and chucked alien in its own class as i dont know what it is and the options seem to be in form and colour cheers ash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzvk Posted February 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 leopard???http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwbettashm&1393649055#.Uw1zf1U3weg.facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 But it's red. I don't see why you would call it a leopard? I'd want an orange/yellow fish with black rosette like spots.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Nut Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 I'm assuming the kind of spotty patterns on the fins. A leopard never changes it spots after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Plus I don't think you should name a strain until... well... until it's actually a strain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzvk Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 when does ones strain become a strain though... dalmatian, apache, koi, mustard gas.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 When they breed true or at the very least when you can produce lots of them and it's not just a once-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzvk Posted March 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 added in 'skinmask' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Oh that's just daft. Skin mask = NO mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzvk Posted April 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 i did it as pie bad. skin(flesh) coloured face rather than no mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddzvk Posted October 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 ive added in samurai. seems to be a Dragon with incomplete coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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