Brenton Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I took a mental note, the other day, of what someone posted on Facebook, and have now completely forgotten the actual detail of what I wanted to know, so I figured I'd come ask you fine folk. On top of the single ray, DR and DDR classifications for CT's, someone mentioned another name to describe the type of tail being shown. Unfortunately, I'm at work and therefore unable to post pictures to better explain myself. Ignoring the actual ray structure for the moment, when a CT's webbing reduction varies between the first and second branching, I think this has a specific name in being able to describe that type of CT...is this correct? If so, what are the names used to describe the different types? Jarrod once mentioned something specific to cross rays and it being either reversed or not - can someone find a picture or way of explaining that to me as well please? When I get home, if my mental note holds up, I'll see if I can find some pictures to better describe what I'm after...if none of this makes sense :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodo Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 I'm guessing one of the types your meaning is king crowntail? That's where they cross I'm pretty sure. I'd definetly be interested in finding out in better detail about crowntail types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Hey James - I'm aware of the Kings, as part of the ray curvature mob, with having a minimum of 7 (I think) rays that cross to be called a king. I'll be heading home soon, I'll post some pics of what I'm after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 So...if any of these pictures or fish are yours, feel free to let me know so I can give due credit. These are examples I've just pulled from the net... Here is a standard, run-of-the-mill single ray CT (the kind I am well and truly over): This is a double ray: But this is a double ray as well, but I thought the webbing pattern had some flash name to differenciate it from the first example of a DR: More to follow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Now to complicate things a bit more...this is also a DR but with yet another difference in form: This actually the form I like most but I don't think the secondary web reduction meets the standards. Yes/No? And just for completeness we have a DDR: And the ultimate King: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 The alternate webbing is called balok ray. It's an acceptable trait in IBC. The effect should be evenly spaced on the caudal fin. You haven't mentioned the balloon effect where there is extra webbing usually at the primary ray split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) I thought the balloon webbing was referred to as Balok...I went back and reread the IBC standards and see I've rolled the two into one - duh! It also says that Balok is not a preferred form for CT :(/>...but if evenly distributed, it would not be a fault (provided it meets the minimum webbing reduction requirements). So to have a Balok CT to meet the standards, would that then require 50% reduction on the primary rays, and a minimum of 33% in the secondary? If one searches long enough and hard enough...one will find it's all been done before: Betta Gruppen Edited September 21, 2013 by Brenton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 So...if any of these pictures or fish are yours, feel free to let me know so I can give due credit. This is a double ray: But this is a double ray as well, but I thought the webbing pattern had some flash name to differenciate it from the first example of a DR: Off topic side note... this was my crowntail I got from someone lea. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I cant see the pictures while I'm at work I'm sure you're right, but I'll double check when I get home, and update accordingly :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) This picture is doing the rounds for a few reasons - 1. to show double ray 2. to apparently show pinhole rot (in the dorsal) 3. because he's just a lovely looking fella But if you're sure he's yours, then I hereby give all credit for my DR example to Sarah - there, that should make it official :)/> Edited September 23, 2013 by Brenton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thanks.. I got him with pinhole rot and treated it quickly, he was fine. I put this photo on the blog and it seems wherever I turn it pops up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 When the standards say that a trait is "not preferred" what they mean is that it shouldn't be given preference over fish who don't show that trait. It doesn't mean that the trait is less desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 Sarah, what is your blog address? Razzi - thanks for clarifying that. I think Balok is the way I'm going to go. Can you any thoughts on whether a Balok CT to meet the standards, would require 50% reduction on the primary rays, and a minimum of 33% in the secondary? Cheers in advance BT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Brenton, here: http://bubblesandbettas.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton Posted September 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Thanks Sarah - sweet blog :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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