Lavender V Salamander

[Chuckie]

well - in the immortal words of the HSC examiners:

Discuss.

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[splendidbetta]

I think salander was used to refer to MG-based purple-type multies.

[Celeste84]

*nods* the salamander was originally a breeders name for an outcrossed MG line she was breeding from the one and only original MGs - they had tri banding of blue, yellow and then blue edging and usually irid all over body if i remember correctly. these days however it really seems to refer to any fish with a solid red or blue body and blue irid over the top of it to give a mauve/purple body (darker than what we call lavender), ones with white or black edging to the fins are called "multi salamanders" kinda like how any blue or black/yellow bi is called a "mustard gas" now, the name's been corrupted over time. IMO a lavender should be a fish with a red body and royal blue irid making them appear light purple in colour, and if you're lucky the colouration spread to a full mask and the fins that said, you can also get the lavender colour from nothing BUT the irid regardless of the colouration underneath, so *shrugs* i guess lavender is just pot luck :yes:

[howlsn]

Yeah it has had me a tad confused until getting the giant x salamanders I have in which celeste's description above is spot on & after looking at mine & comparing them to other lavendars & Salamanders on Aquabid I can see the difference now.

[Chuckie]

I knew about the Marianne/Jude/MG history, and how "salamander" was coined, but I still don't understand the meaning of the words as currently used. Isn't a salamander basically a 'reject' that shows up in a F1 MG spawn? see, I spawned a pair of what I call Lavenders and what Cath calls salamanders. Both sound like they are red fish with blue iridesence over the body. I still don't get it! Is the only distinction supposed to be that the lavenders are a paler colour?

[splendidbetta]

Sorry about the typo earlier. was in a rush. I think when it comes down to it, it's all just different names for (generally) the same thing. The Salamander name was used by a breeder who bred stock from the original MG line, but couldn't then call her fish MG. I guess that name was then adopted to use on Red/purple blue multy types.

[splendidbetta]

Red would only be produced in an F1 'MG' spawn if the pair don't carry the same non-red gene. At least that's what I can remember.

According to the wonderful and most resourceful Bettysplendens.com:

Lavender: A new terminology being used to decribe bettas with blue/pink/purple bodies and red fins, or purple/red bodies and fins. They are dark bicolors, or, if they have a pattern, Butterflies.

Mustard Gas: These days this name is used to refer to any blue, green, or steel-bodied fish with yellow fins, with or without a BF pattern. However, the real story of what a Mustard Gas is is quite a bit more complex. You will find variations of this name under titles such as "Mustard Blue", "Copper Gas", "Purple Gas", etc. They are considered Dark Bicolors or Butterflies.

Salamander: In the days of the Mustard Gas controvery, Marianne Lewis of Canada renamed her MG-outcrosses "Salamander" to differentiate them from pure Mustard Gas. Although Lewis's Salamanders were non-red fish (that, in fact, looked nearly identical to MG), uneducated sellers in Asia began marketing any Mustard Gas outcross that produced red bicolor types as Salamander. If you see a fish being sold as Salamander, keep in mind two things: 1.) it is mislabeled, and 2.) it probably carries non-red. They are considered Dark Bicolors or, if they have a pattern, Butterflies.

I think that clears everything up? :yes:

[Chuckie]

so both are dark bi-colours/butterflies. That's what I thought.

[howlsn]

I know very little about it other than what I have read but what I have noticed in my Salamander pair is rather than be a purple colour they have more a deep red/burgandy colouration with the steel irid, & the Lavender such as Lilli spawned I assume would have a more purple/violent type of appearance which my pair doesn't have, under any light mine don't give any purple appearance, it is either deep red or steel irid under light. I am new to MG, Salamander & Lavender colouration (so I will be asking for classification help in my spawn )

[Celeste84]

lisa i think with how people are tossing the names about on AB and just in general "lavender" refers to a lighter coloured irid on the fish and "salamander" refers to a darker irid on the fish - usually with BF or tri-banding they don't really pay much attention to what the type names really mean, so they can call any fish whatever they want really to sucker in newbies to the hobby :giggle:

[Terribletegs]

I am using the term 'lavender' with Louis as that's what he was sold to me as. I think 'Lavender' is a better description for fish his colour, anyways.

'Salamander' is used so randomly on AB, I think 'Lavender' is just a better term for a red/purple/pink bicolour/butterfly.