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im soo sorry for asking so much!

if your tank started with quickstart API, are you supposed to see the ''bacteria'' ( i am guessing NO! right? ... ) i dont know.. i have to know if its normal or not :(

I fed my fish bloodworms today and now tiny little white things are floating around the water. I didn't even notice it until I looked waaaay closer, in the light. and on the glass they are crawling around and moving so i know its not just water particles. i just saw one floating around and then it split into two! what the! the size of them, they don't even reach a millimetre... and when they do, they just split in half!

its too hard to take pictures of these things they are like micro organisms x_x and i know thats normal for a tank but can you see it with your eyes for real....

im scared q_q what did i do wrong ... will my fish die now :(

edit: i kept looking and looking online. i really want to know what these are! arrrghghhh then this other website suggested they may be nermatodes (not sure if im allowed to link to other forum sites so i wont for now)...

sigh v_v my tank was doing so well and then.. bam.. wormies and things...

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when in doubt water change and monitor fish for signs of sickness including behavioural changes (lethargy, flashing, loss of appetite and interest).

whats in the tank? it could be normal bacterial flora and organisms. if you have plants etc when we talk about infusorians which fry eat its natural microorganisms which live in most established tanks anyway. as long as its not anything that will affect your betta poorly (like parasites) it wont neccessarily be a problem. but still monitor and water change...

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thank you thank you thank you..

my betta has been acting normal i think.. the only reason why i noticed these things is because my betta looked like he was rubbing his nose on the glass back and forth .. i looked closer and he was actually eating these wormy things :unsure:

been looking all over google, i had to decide between planaria and nematodes but i think these are nematodes... just the way they look to me and the pictures on google..

my tank doesnt have much (its 3.3 gallon technically)... it has fake silk plants, granite rock caves, $5 packet of plain black gravel from the petstore... and couple of crystals ..

after i saw these wormy suckers, i immediately took my snail from his feeding container and dropped him back into the tank, he's climbing around eating these things but he's a very small snail so i dont think he'll do much.

a wiki page said that nematodes appear in newly cycled tanks but my tank has been running for maybe 3 months now.. then i remembered.. last week i had to change the whole filter out, maybe i did it wrong.. i thought my tank would be okay as long as my new filter would have the old water running through it... now seeing these worms on the glass i am convinced i must have lost my cycle and maybe that explains their appearance..

ugh this sucks >.< i will watch this tank super closely the next 3 days to see what happens.. i hate it when i have to worry i just feel so bad for my fish :(

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If I have those wormy things correctly identified to the wormy things I have sometimes seen, I read that they are from too must waste in the aquarium. If you did muck up your filter clean and the tank needs to cycle again then that would make sense since there wouldn't be bacteria to break down wastes. They're not harmful so don't worry.

When you cleaned the sponge in the filter did you use tap or tank water?

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Pretty sure what you describe are nematodes and it's due to your new filter - test your water to see if your cycle has been disrupted.

I doubt it will be harmful.

Never be afraid to ask questions, and don't apologise - we all started somewhere and we are all still learning :)

May be a good time to get a Master Test kit of you don't currently have one, and it may also be a good time to start putting together your fishy first aid kit if you haven't already - if it was something that could harm your fish - you'd want to be able to treat as soon as the issue was identified for the best chance of getting things back onto an even keel.

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hmm.. i have an api test kit for ph, high ph, ammonia, nitrite/nitrates, and then i got an additional test kit for gh and kh hardness ... last night when i saw these worms, the water had 2.0 ammonia :( i was thinking of changing it first thing in the morning since it was pretty late, but i tested it when i woke up and it was 1.0, so seems to be dropping without my interference.. not sure if i should still do a water change or not -_-

as of this post, my water is 1.0 ammonia and 1.0 nitrite... 0 nitrate.

i think i am going to change my water just a bit, maybe 25% and see how it goes.. but im hesitant because of this cycle.. maybe ill just wait a little bit.. so indecisive. i actually feel a bit relieved to see a bit of nitrite, maybe my tank just hasnt cycled long enough for the nitrates, but i feel like it's going somewhere.

i dont have much of a first aid kit.. i only have bettafix and anti-bacterial, have a small bottle of leaf extract which i got as a bonus to my bulk purchase, i think im going to the store maybe next week to see if they have anything for the water itself, just in case my tank blooms into complete chaos lol.

the gravel of my tank has been fairly clean (for a fish tank), and as a bowl, the gravel is pretty thin layered

If I have those wormy things correctly identified to the wormy things I have sometimes seen, I read that they are from too must waste in the aquarium. If you did muck up your filter clean and the tank needs to cycle again then that would make sense since there wouldn't be bacteria to break down wastes. They're not harmful so don't worry.
When you cleaned the sponge in the filter did you use tap or tank water?

oops.. was i supposed to clean the filter before putting it in my tank? i replaced my filter with a new one completely (the carbon, the powerhead, tube) because my last one got wrecked. i regret it now, i should have kept the old sponge .. :(

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You have the master test kit and the additional GH KH testing bits, so that's all good.

As for your readings test the water from your tap - that way you know what your base readings are and what should be normal for you.

If your source water is ammonia of less than 0.5 and everything else 0 - then do an immediate 50% water change in your tank to get the levels down.

Let it all settle down for an hour or so (and allow your test tubes to dry properly) and then test your water again - the levels should be better.

Let me see if I can find the post we have on a first aid kit...

EDIT: Here you go....http://www.ausaqua.net/index.php/topic/15605-water-quality-and-sickness-treatments/?hl=tri-sulpha#entry174685

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Thanks for the list :) my tap water is usually all 0's I think. I just did a water change, hopefully it will go down. Is it worth it to use ammonia lock, or is that bad for my fish tank when it lost the cycle?

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I have no experience with Ammonia lock - I tend to put as little amount of foreign chemicals into my water as possibly - just some rock salt and sometimes IAL (unless treating sick fish). The less stuff you put in, the better chance you have of keeping things stable through regular water changes.

Don't assume what you tap water is - some places can differ - be sure and test it...and it's worthwhile knowing what your base pH is...

Don't try and buy everything at once - but pick something up each payday till you have your own first aid kit. Starting by getting some Tri-Sulpha would be good.

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It sounds like planaria. I have a planaria bloom in one of my tanks right now. Oddly it happened right after I removed most of the fish. Anyway it's perfectly fine to do water changes at any time the drop in ammonia sounds like the filter is working but water changes will help it along.

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His 12.5Litre tank really did lose it's cycle. I decided to move him from the small tank to a 20Litre tank that I had left sitting for 2 weeks. I didn't plan on him being in there until it was fully cycled, but with his small tank starting over I decided it was better to move him now...

His 20 Litre tank is doing okay with it's cycle, just like his old tank it was started with QuickStart. But now I'm dealing with issues that were there from the beginning but were not obvious enough for me to notice it. Because my fish has not pooped in forever, and I only noticed this when I moved him to a temporary 1 gallon bowl while I was switching tanks. When acclimating him, I decided to leave him in the bowl for a day, I changed the water a couple of times, but every time I changed the water, there was no poop at all. And his anus is all white which I have heard is a sign of internal/external parasites, dunno which one. It would also explain why my fish was always so eager to eat every time; he would come to feeding time with a starving appetite and would viciously eat everything I gave him, even would eat the goldfish flake I left out for my snail when he was already quite full.

So anyway I guess I will deal with this matter now. I am keeping him in a small bowl for now with clean water, AQ salt, a little bit of leaf extract. He was tail-biting in his big tank so I am also healing that. I am looking into the medications list and will probably start treating him for parasites once I am certain that he has them. For now, I am just a fish owner waiting for her fish to poo. :P

Thanks for all your help guys I have learned so much on this forum :)

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I could be wrong, or in the minority, but it is a rare thing for my fish to start off in a cycled tank. It's true, my barracks are cycled and now so are my growouts, but when I first began stocking them, they were not cycled and the fish did not suffer from it.

The tank will cycle over time, and as long as you maintain water changes (a lot better than I do), they should be fine and end up in a cycled tank.

A picture of the little guy and possibly of his 'white' anus may help in diagnosing him. Betta are pigs when it comes to feeding - they will beg at the glass regardless of having just eaten. But, if he hasn't pooped, then go with the chopped up defrosted and skinned pea. Feed him a little piece of pea twice a day, morning and night, for a few days, or until you get a result...if he is bloating up.

If he is not bloating, then it could be a parasite, or it could be that you've just not seen the deposits. Does the 1 gallon bowl have any substrate (pebbles or the like?). The best medication for internal parasites is METRONIDAZOLE in my experience, but if it's worms, you'll need to look into something like Avitrol bird wormer. The metro can be difficult to find in Australia.

A photo for aid in confirming any of the possibilities would be the best place to start before getting any medication though - if you're not sure.

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Ok sorry for the late reply got caught up with exams at uni. After my last post, I kind of just left my fish for a couple more days to see how he would go. He ended up finally doing a huge poop and I guess it's my first time seeing betta poop because it's so different to goldfish poop. So I think this whole time I've just never seen him poop because of the way bettas do it.

I didn't end up treating him with anything, I think he should be okay and that I shouldn't worry too much about the white stuff coming from his anus. It's hard to get a picture of, since my phone camera has this crazy auto-focus that can't recognize my betta's butt. I read some people's accounts of having a male betta with a white spot, similiar to the female's egg spot, which is weird, but they all said it was normal, so maybe that's just it. He doesn't seem bothered and acts like a normal fish so unless he starts spazzing out, I won't worry about parasites. I kept him in the smaller bowl for about a week, most of that time was spent fasting and eating peas, then he was put into the bigger tank and he is doing good now.

The tank is also clean, it went through the same thing though -- the little tiny white worm things in the water. But that cleared up after about 2 days.

Thank you so much for your help it has really offered a lot of insight from someone more experienced than I am. My 20 Litre tank still hasn't fully cycled, the spikes are a bit random but I can manage it with the weekly water changes and monitoring. My fish gets too excited when his tank water is getting changed because it's the same day he gets bloodworms, so his silly displays are really cute :P

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Metro is easy to find IMO

there are the medications that are RARE that work the best some of which are illegal but still widely available.

Simon

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Peaches - where do you get Metro from in Oz - would save me importing it from the USA...

And which medications that are rare, but widely available, are you referring to - and to treat which diseases?

Cheers

BT

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