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  1. Wouldn't marble stabilisation be the key behind producing Betta Koi lines?
  2. The normal tail-type for a wild betta is delta, while super delta is a result of breeding for additional branching. HM though is not a single gene. It is referred to as multi-factorial. Yes, you need to breed for extra branching, but the environment must also be right, as does your exercise regime for the fish, and you have to have the luck of the draw to be able to get there. If you start with two HM parents, the resultant spawn may have some HM fry...but the majority of them will be either delta or SD. So crossing a SD with a HM reduces the chances of getting a fish carrying all the factors required to allow the fry to become HM...it's not zero, but the chances are slim. Out of 100 fry, you may get a handful - less fry, shorten the chances. As for the other characteristics: Fin length depends on what the female is - you don't say if she is plakat of long fin, but LF is dominant over SF, so these fry should be LF, but if SF is in the mix, then you may get some mid-fin (longer than plakat but shorter than show length long fin). If SF is in the mix, you have a 25% chance of getting SF in F2 from a sibling cross. Elephant ear (ee) is also a recessive gene so you are unlikely to see any in this spawn, but some may show a slight enlargement in pectoral size, but again, you wouldn't expect to see anything significant till a sibling cross to provide F2. Good luck!
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    Looking good Jay!
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    Fry Size

    F2 - BJT20140607 - Week 4 (late again...) Had a scare - no sooner than I thought I'd missed my normal big die off...than I started seeing some dead ones But it has only been two or three, here and there. Probably lost about a dozen over the last week. Mr Big: 1.1cm Runt: 0.6cm (only a couple of really small ones left) Average: 0.8cm Not far away from starting on grated bloodworm.
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    I agree totally - what we need as an Oz community is to agree on our terminology. I might burn a little work time and do some searching around to see what's used around the place...
  6. You might need to post some photos and let people know where you are if it's pickup only. You could also try the AusAqua FB page...or any of the numerous Betta Buy and Sell pages around on Facebook...good luck We have the wanted to buy or sell pages on the forum, but I'm not sure how much people look through there at the moment - forums going through a bit of a quiet period...but we spark up from time to time
  7. Nice! Nothing wrong with filter over kill
  8. If you attend the table show day/meet, then you will be well on your way
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    Fry Size

    Yep - there was some confusion over that, and it was skewing the table, hence we now have an overall, a plakat and a long fin table...Razz, is there a term for long fin betta (like Plakat for short fin)? I used to use fancy, but have now found out that refers to marbles, not necessarily all long fin... But, back to the measuring - all measurements required are from snout to caudal tip, so includes all fins, not just body length.
  10. I cant remember how to break up the quotes... Arent pastels a fish with cc (and opaque - Op) to leave a white/pink looking body (because cc only removes black on the body) and coloured fins? Gold: I've read that there is a red gold, and a yellow gold. The red is supposedly a darker gold. Both are supposed to come from copper fish...an interesting read can be found here: Betta Club Singapore Do I have any dark-bodied? Dark irids, or dark golds? Irids, yes, golds, no (only have a breeding pair - who are huge and I keep meaning to look up the size when giants begin), but I've not yet put them into the spawn tank (need to time it right with family matters...). But when I do get a spawn from them, I want to deepen the colour, and so I'm wondering if I need to cross with a red, a yellow, or a green - hence the need to do a spawn of gold HMPK's first. so I have a few options available ...god I need more tanks....
  11. What's Jess' Betta breeding goals...we might be able to point her in the right direction for stock. As for the barracks, maybe Maddie, James, or Miss M will be better suited to throwing up suggestions (they sell the things )
  12. Hey Will and mysteriously unannounced partner First good move - coming here - lots of excellent information and lots of excellent people with massive experience in breeding and raising Betta. Not all of them are around all of the time, but there's usually one or two who can help out with any of you, or your partners, questions Second fortunate move - being in Melbourne, you should take an evening and look in at the Vic Betta club. Lots of nice people, lots of information, and a good place to start getting together the items and cultures you'll need for starting your breeding programs Feel free to throw up Marine photos in the Coffee Shop (if we don't actually have a marine thread). We love photos, and we don't really care what fishy scene they depict - we'll be happy anyway Welcome to the forum!
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    Just saw Jarrod's YouTube video on his 5 week old fry...now I'm feeling depressed My growth rate is about 1/3 what he gets. So when he's ready to move onto the next generation, My guys are only settling into becoming juveniles. When I'm ready to move onto the next generation, he's ready to move on to the one after that...that's pretty sad. I know environment, water changes, and feeding all combine to provide differences, and Jarrod is fortunate enough to work from home and therefore the feeding schedule is a lot more conducive to faster growth, he lives in a tropical clime, and he's a lot better and more experienced at tending to their needs...but still, pangs of envy abound Still, I shall soldier on, however slowly, towards my goals :ctpk:
  14. Here's a couple of questions for you...genetically speaking First, this guy: Who looked white bodied with corn-flower blue banding in the fins (to the naked eye), has grownup to become this guy.. Who still looks light bodied with cornflower blue banding to the naked eye. What would be his genetic makeup? Grandad looked to carry a bit of a mashup of colour genes, and mum was a turq from Jarrod. I think dad also carried the Cc gene as I have a couple of extremely light bodied individuals in this spawn (I'm praying are a brother sister combo, but fear they are both girls)...but doesn't Cambodian remove the black layer, and therefore, no iridescent layer would be seen...but when I take a flash photo of these two other individuals, they show up as... Now I really like the shade of green, but this is only with a flash. The goal here is to play with BlBl and marbles to find something new and permanently green, as per a theory expressed by GAL sometime in the late 1970's, and which nobody has been successful with (as far as I know). Or is this more a metallic steel? Perhaps I should keep these two and cross to see if copper results...I have a pair of gold HMPK's which should carry a metallic steel base (according to one possible theory I've read). Thoughts? Suggestions? Seems my couple of questions has grown while I typed...sorry about that... So, in summary, the questions are: What do you believe to be the genetic makeup of the first fella to produce cornflower blue? If cc stops the black layer from showing, resulting in a light bodied fish, then how do I get iridescence still showing up? Is the last fella a really light metallic turq/green, or a metallic steel? The genetic makeup of gold - does anyone have experience in creating them, and what did you use as a base? One last thing to ponder. Neither fish is showing red wash...so could the lightness be attributed to the presence of nr1nr1? Grandad had a similar powder blue colour on his dragon scaling, but I put the lightness of the colour down to the dragon influence...for those of you who want to look back at the history...P0 is found under CTPK#1 in my signature. Any help, discussion, or thoughts would be appreciated.
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    Fry Size

    F2 - BJT20140322 - week 14 I'll try and get some photos posted today... Mr Big: 3.8cm Runt: 1.9 Average: 2.9cm Greens and blues of all shades And not too much red wash present either... Please forgive the dirty glass F2 - BJT20140607 - Week 3 Touch wood - seems I've missed the big week 2 die off I normally have. I've made a point of feeding these guys a lot more and doing bigger water changes. Seems to be paying dividends so far... Mr Big: 0.9cm Runt: 0.5cm (only a couple of really small ones left) Average: 0.7cm Still haven't done a count. Too many zipping all over the place or me even consider trying. I would hazard a guess of 40+ This the filter crew of this spawn, with Mr Big on top of the filter, on hid own, swimming toward the others...I have no idea why this has come out sideways. There's over 20 individuals in this shot...so I may have to revise my current fry estimate upwards by...a lot...
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    Yeah - I know - late again... F2 - BJT20140322 - week 13 Mr Big: 3.6cm Runt: 1.7 Average: 2.5cm F2 - BJT20140607 - Week 2 Mr Big: 0.8cm Runt: 0.4cm (only a couple of really small ones left) Average: 0.6cm
  17. Welcome back ...but where's the photos of the new setup What will you be working on this time round?
  18. Actually, Razzi, you made a comment somewhere a little while ago, that I now use for my water changes. I have one of those sponge filters with the clear tubing extension on it that I use in the spawn tanks. The extension tubing extends beyond where I have the water line so I can turn it up during the spawning process and it still doesn't disturb the surface of the water - therefore doesn't put the male off building his nest. When it comes to fry water changes, I keep the level a little below the top of the tubing so the disturbance is still minimal with the pump turned up. So now I stick my siphon in there to suck the water out, and put back in there to add water back in - no danger of sucking anyone up. Occasionally I still siphon around the bottom to pickup the gunk, but as long as it's relatively clean (not Jaylee clean by any stretch ), I'm not overly bothered, but this is the first batch I'm trying this method with. As long as they still come out with ventrals, I'll probably adopt it with all future spawns.
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    F2 - BJT20140322 - week 12 Mr Big: 2.7cm Jarred my first male and female yesterday - caught them flaring at each other... Runt: 1.5 Average: 2.1cm F2 - BJT20140607 - Week 1 (first week and I'm already late with posting progress...bodes well) Mr Big: 0.6cm Runt: 0.4cm Average: I'll take a shot in the dark at 0.5cm I think I've stuffed up my measurements again...had a look at the male I jarred and he is definitely bigger than 2.7cm - more like 3.5cm - I'll have to go back through my photo journal to check it out when I've got some time...
  20. Hi Trent - welcome to the forum
  21. Yep Man hands = creating storm in spawn tank and squashing lots of fry...which equals not going there
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    Fry Size

    Thank you Jay - I've managed to catch up and all entries have been entered into the spreadsheet (I was only 3 weeks behind for both of us).
  23. hmmm - 100% water changes, not sure I can go that far, so I'm doing 25% already...very carefully, and I'll increase that slowly as they get bigger and I'm more confident they aren't going to continually get sucked up. Spawn tank is already to the fill line at least. and they are on bbs (cute little orange bellies already obvious). I'm packing in the food - plenty of VE and BBS so they should be grazing most of the day. You got my food schedule spot on for a work day Weekends I sneak in an extra feed for them. I've never managed to get my guys eating dry food in less than four months...let alone two! Who knows - my Green I F2 line has some of the biggest guys I've seen in my tanks for their age so maybe I'm slowly getting the hang of it...fingers crossed (still not going to wipe though)
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