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  1. Brenton

    Fry Size

    I have really got to get back to this - thanks for continuing to post your measurements Jaylee While they're here, it will be easier to catch up....and as I had two new spawns of my own over the weekend, I should have more of an incentive to get back to it - I need to update my winter black orchids as well... We need an emoticon being whipped...
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    JLM18082014 F2

    You have 140 fry - I wouldn't be worrying about two with internal issues like this, I'd cull.
  3. What size sponge filter did you have in there and how turned up did you have? I have a bunch of two footers for grow outs, and all have a large sponge filter in them turned up to max bubble rate - seems to be doing the job But if you only have smaller sponge filters, then yes, multiple will work for you.
  4. Not so sure about actual damage, but I've read around the traps that the oil can coat the organ making oxygen transfer difficult - and for that reason, I don't use it either.
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    F2 pairs

    Could be the marble influence. I had a fella who was two-tone blue, but marbled into a blue-black-white-clear expressionism painting of a two year olds trantrum With the extra photos - I'd go with Lulu (sorry Twinkle)
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    F2 pairs

    Just to throw a spanner - is Twinkle more steel than blue? If so, I'd go with her... a) for the points Maddie pointed out in regards to masking and coverage b) I'm sure the negative points could be just the photo in regards to the caudal c) anal would be balanced by dad and so fry should have better anals anyway d) steel is the doorway to lots more options just saying...
  7. I've got a couple of these little heaters I got to keep my females warm during the intro phase while they're in a beanie-type container. My Fishroom gets cool at night at the moment with the temps regularly dropping below 5C - and the nano's cant handle it. They don't seem able to maintain the 26C temp. I think their operational range is quiet small, unfortunately. Mine normally keep the water around room temp, so no lower than 18-19C, but that's not overly conducive to breeding, so I've given up on them for now. I'll pull them out again once the nightly temps stop dropping below 10C.
  8. Getting a black and white butterfly isn't particularly difficult - getting some with a nice fixed pattern, and then being able to reproduce that pattern is a lot more work, but definitely doable. It's always best to get the best quality breeding stock you can to get the best possible results, but when you're just starting out, you'll have some trial and error, so not necessarily spending all your money on the first pair wouldn't be a bad option (don't put all your eggs in the one basket). It's great you're doing your research, and even better that you've come to AAQ where some of the best Betta minds have congregated and stored invaluable information for the mining Butterfly is usually associated with marbles, but is actually reliant on the variegated fin (Vf) gene, which is usually present with the marble (Mb) gene but not reliant on it - so, long story short, you can get Vf without Mb, but they often come together. If I was looking to do black body with white banding, I'd be introducing black fairly early on. I'd also be wary of introducing the iridescent layer (blue, green, steel) as once in, they are hard to breed out. It's difficult to find any colour without the iridescent influence, but black looks better without it as much as possible so you may as well not introduce it to begin with. As for white, there's no such natural colour in the Betta world, but it is possible to put the genes together to get it (obviously). White bodies are the norm, which come from genes like Cambodian (cc) and Opaque (Op), or Dragon - but reversing it so the fins are white is a little more difficult...and not something I've yet researched. I imagine you will still need the Op gene which will give a whiteness to body and fin, but the black should pretty much make the powdery opaque covering un-noticeable...but like I said, not sure on this front. If you start with a black male and a white female, or a black male and light coloured Vf female (white marble, yellow, gold, platinum, etc), then you should have the building blocks you need to move forward. Don't start with a melano black female, as they tend to be infertile, but with a black lace (which is another type of black gene) female you'll be okay. I suggest a black male because they are much less likely to have fertility problems (regardless of colour), and a Vf female as females are suggested to have a bigger influence on form, so it could be worth a shot to have the female carry the Vf gene for your butterfly. And, you'll want to breed your best butterfly'd fry back to the butterfly parent to increase your chances of getting a good selection of butterfies in the second generation to work with. Sorry if this is information overload...and some of this is pure conjecture based on what I've read, and some on what makes sense to me - if anything is not quite on the mark, I'm sure one of the more experienced breeders will let us both know Good luck and keep us updated
  9. Yes - you could breed them, but the offspring may not be what others want to buy. Crossing a PK with a long fin will produce mid-fins in the F1 - that meaning the finnage on the males will not be as long as standard long fins and they wont be as short as plakats. All will be either Delta or Super delta with a possibility of a few HM. Colours could be almost anything depending on the genes that went into creating them. As they aren't brother and sister, then the mix may not show up clearly in the F1 spawn. If they look white with blotches, then they are likely to carry the Cambodian gene, and possibly the Opaque gene. If no red is present in the fins, then they may carry either the nr gene, or the Red-Loss gene, or even a red-gain gene if they develop red as they get older. The blotches are from the marble gene. They could also carry the dragon gene... In F1, you will get a mixed bag of lollies - with it not unlikely to see a rainbow of colours and a big possibility of Cambodians. Hope that helps
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    Fry Size

    F2 - BJT20140607 - Week 7 (late again...work is a nightmare at the moment ) Mr Big: 1.7cm Runt: 0.7cm (I have a nursery of small fellas who hang around together. I have 15-20 who are quite big, two-thirds who are average, and then there's this group of 20 or so who don't look like they've grown...I have fish hanging around the top to eat and tadpoles waiting for BBS to fall to the bottom...frustrating. Might have to look at splitting them up.) Average: 1.2cm
  11. It's only taken a week but they have now figured out when meal time happens, it's in their best interest to all rush to the front of the tank for first choice pickings Not so hard to get my measurements now
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    Fry Size

    You've done well, Jay F2 - BJT20140607 - Week 6 Mr Big: 1.5cm Runt: 0.7cm (there's always a handful who just don't seem to grow) Average: 1.0cm
  13. Now they are in the grow-out, it looks like there are bugger all, with them hiding among the plants and stuff - we'll see how many make it to maturity...makes measurements a bugger to get though. The sire has since matured some more and now looks like the mangy mid-fin he was always going to become Fingers crossed for some nice true plakats from this spawn.
  14. Well there you go, 117 wasn't far away from the 120 mark A few more than the 40+ I was originally estimating...
  15. Where's Ness - she usually loves to jump in here For what it's worth...he's a nice looking fish but when it comes to judging against the standards I think there may be a few things which he will get marked down for, and which you can aim to improve as you begin to look for a mate to start your own line. Now, I'm no judge so I'm only going on what I think is right and I'm happy to be corrected by the qualified judges we have whop haunt the forum. Top line - from snout to dorsal: from the pic, it looks like it could be smoother, but it could just be the angle... Top line - from dorsal to peduncle: looks good Dorsal: nice base and the first couple of rays are pointing forward, which is a good sign, but I don't think is judged as a preferred trait (but is good for breeding purposes). Caudal: First and last rays would be a minor fault as they aren't long enough to create the nice sharp points the judges would be looking for to form the true letter D shape. Anal: I'm not sure on the judging for this. It's lacking an actual point, so whether traditional or show plakat standards, I think it may be a fault. Ventrals: Are split and therefore a minor fault I think. Not sure if this would be marked heavier because there are three points instead of one or two. In breeding, I would definitely be looking for a partner with single point ventrals. That's about all I know, and how I would look at this fish if I was thinking about finding a partner for him. Hope that helps... Ha - only just realised this was you Ash
  16. No...it's sad you counted both pics and didn't tell me what your total was...
  17. Oh my - missed part of that last comment - sorry Razz (project at work is still going - only a month behind schedule (hard to soar like an eagle...) Any with a dark undercoating: The spawn is fill of different shades of green, from metallic turq's, truq's, blues, and these light bodied greens... I've kept the two light bodies separate and what I think is a female plakat turq, to go with the cornflower blue male (he will be a busy little boy). I'm also considering using one of the light bodies with a light bodied DT I've managed to get hold of Growout is now empty and in need of a clean. One spawn tank emptied and needs to be cleaned, two other spawn tanks prepped and ready to go this weekend for gold and another green line pairing. To check out all the photos from this spawn Check out here
  18. So it seems this update is turning into a monthly affair...sorry about that... Just spent the best part of an hour chasing around 120 fry around the spawn tank so I could move them into the growout...amazing size differences when you see it like this... First batch ^^^ of 50-odd - smoko and back stretch, and then second batch (pictured below) - around 70 or so. Feel free to count the black dots if you want absolute numbers
  19. Brenton

    Fry Size

    Ah - stereo! Sunday is fine
  20. Brenton

    Fry Size

    One more week of measurements required for this lot, Jaylee and then you're done. What are your next spawning plans?
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    Fry Size

    F2 - BJT20140607 - Week 5 (ish) Death rate seems to have stabilised again, so fingers crossed the massive die off has been reduced to a very shortened version Mr Big: 1.3cm - I've got a couple of these who are really starting to stand out now Runt: 0.7cm Average: 0.9cm Black colouring starting to fill in now. Either during this week, or possibly next weekend (if I find some time), these guys will go into a grow out and onto black worm...yep, I've finally got hold of some blackworm (thank you someone) and I'm having a go at cultivating them myself. Been almost two weeks now and there is evidence of segmentation, so it seems to be going well. Have started conditioning a pair to extend the Green Line II into F2 and Started conditioning my pair of Gold HMPK's to give me some choices down the track with their F1 offspring with creating a Golf CTPK line at some point. Got lots on the to do list and not enough tanks or space...MGCTPK, DTCTPK, progress recessive line (cc + nr1 carriers) to F2. I'd also like to deepen the gold colouring at some point and possibly have a line of whites/opaques/platinums. Might need to move into breeding in tubs....
  22. To get LF HM ee, you need to find a LF female to pair up with your LF male. HM we've already discussed and Razzi is correct, nothing about it has been written in stone (been identified). ee is recessive, so as you LF male is ee, you'll need a long fin ee female to see ee in F1, although Maddie knows more about this than I do...I think I remember something about a higher rate of deformities, but I'll leave that for Maddie to discuss. As for CT...are we still talking LF, and are we still talking crossing a SF CT with a LF CT?
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